Tim Maudlin on the training of physicists, the evolution of intelligence, and more

I had to link this interview with philosopher Tim Maudlin, in the Atlantic, when I read his observation that "The asking of fundamental physical questions is just not part of the training of a physicist anymore." But there's a lot more of interest in the interview as well. I found the article via Andrew Sullivan's blog; Sullivan found Tim's thoughts on the evolution of intelligence to be particularly interesting:

What people haven't seemed to notice is that on earth, of all the billions of species that have evolved, only one has developed intelligence to the level of producing technology. Which means that kind of intelligence is really not very useful. It's not actually, in the general case, of much evolutionary value. We tend to think, because we love to think of ourselves, human beings, as the top of the evolutionary ladder, that the intelligence we have, that makes us human beings, is the thing that all of evolution is striving toward. But what we know is that that's not true. Obviously it doesn't matter that much if you're a beetle, that you be really smart. If it were, evolution would have produced much more intelligent beetles. We have no empirical data to suggest that there's a high probability that evolution on another planet would lead to technological intelligence. There is just too much we don't know.

Indeed there is, but it points out some very interesting questions: is there a tendency, given enough time, for a species intelligent enough to produce technology to arise on an earth-like planet? Is there, perhaps, a tendency for it to inhibit the evolution of other such species? My personal guess (and it's just that, a guess, not supported by careful thought) is that there is such a tendency, but it takes a lot of time, it builds on, and is part of, a slow increase in the complexity of the most complex organisms. This is, of course, probably the "knee-jerk" view. Whether it inhibits the evolution of other species is something I'm less willing to speculate on (though if Neanderthals were another such species, we may have some evidence (one case!) for inhibition of the branching of a potentially technologically-capable intelligent species into two such species). Whether vertebrates have characteristics making it more likely for them to evolve technologically-capable intelligence than it is for, say, insects to evolve it is another interesting question.

1 thought on “Tim Maudlin on the training of physicists, the evolution of intelligence, and more

  1. What Maudlin says is in a general sense true, but are we really the only specie to have developed technology? I don't think so.

    Technology is a loose term. The way birds build nests is what I would consider a technological. They are not hatched with a nest ready, they have to think about how to build it, even if it's instinct...
    Some birds, like the Kea's in New Zealand can do incredible things and are considered to have the IQ of a human child..

    What do they lack? hands... they have an extreme hard time to build ANYTHING, they dont got the strength or the ability to balance something for long enough to actually construct anything, so it is not efficient enough or them to spend much time on, even if it can be proven that they posses the intelligence.

    Again think of dolphins and other whales, killer whales have been observed to learn spontaneously how to take advantage of the terrain, for instance there was a whale that knew when the tides came, baby seals would be possible to trap in a corner, so she did this for years and her offspring learnt it from her and continue the "tradition".
    this is unquestionably intelligence that could create at least SOMETHING, but they do not have the bodies for it.

    So I think the answer lies in how humans first came out of the jungle and onto the fields of Africa.
    It seems to me that it was kind of coincidential that we had first been apes who are good with their hands AND happened to posses the intelligence we did.
    To me, a spear is not very impressive, even considering that they were at the dawn of mankind.

    If you go to youtube you will find a documentary about Kea's, they can use random pieces of metal and manipulate them into hooks and then fish things out of otherwise unreachable spots. How is this technology different from humans doing the same thing?

    Im summary: I think we are a result of 2 coincidences coincidentially merging. Both having the body that can perform the task of manipulating nature and construct objects energy efficiently AND having the IQ to do so. In nature in genera you usually only have one or the other...

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